|Asunto:||[dxcolombia] DX Bulletin #669|
|Fecha:|| 19 de Julio, 2004 21:20:21 (+0200)|
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Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 669
The Ohio/Penn DX PacketCluster
DX Bulletin No. 669
July 19, 2004
Editor Tedd Mirgliotta, KB8NW
Provided by BARF80.ORG (Cleveland, Ohio)
Thanks to the Northern Ohio Amateur Radio Society, Northern Ohio DX
Association, Ohio/Penn PacketCluster Network, AB5K & the AR TelNet
Clusters Network, K1XN & GoList, NC1L, NG3K, W3UR & The Daily DX, W3YY,
N4AA & QRZ DX, WW4LL, W5KNE, N6HR, K8YSE, W8CNL, WB8YJF, VQ9LA/N0QM,
CO2TK, CO8TW, CT1EEB, DL/VE3ZIK & www.contesting.info, DL1EK & The DX
News Letter, DL6UAA, DL7DF, EA4ST, F5CWU & La Gazette du DX, F5NQL &
G3XTT, HA0HW, I1JQJ/IK1ADH & 425 DX News, IZ2ELA, JE1RXJ, JI6KVR &
Islands News, LZ1BJ, MM0DFV, OE3EPW, OY1CT, SM3CXS, SP3BJK and VA3RJ &
ICPO for the following DX information.
** SPECIAL ADVANCE NOTICE BY EDITOR (by KB8NW): There will "NOT" be an
OPDX bulletin for August 2nd. I know, you heard this before, but it is
true this time. My wife (chief proof-reader), daughter and I will be
to Las Vegas to visit my dad and step-mother (who we haven't seen in 2
years). Besides, I can really use the break! However, PLEASE continue
send your DX info to me.
DXCC COUNTRY/ENTITY REPORT: According to the AR-Cluster Network for the
week of Sunday, 11th/July, through Sunday, 18th/July there were 213
countries active. Countries available: 3A, 3B8, 3D2, 3V, 3W, 4J, 4L,
4S, 4U1I, 4X, 5B, 5H, 5N, 5R, 5T, 5U, 5V, 5W, 5Z, 6W, 6Y, 7Q, 7X, 8P,
9A, 9G, 9H, 9J, 9K, 9L, 9M2, 9M6, 9U, 9V, 9Y, A3, A4, A6, A7, A9, AP,
BV, BY, C3, C6, C9, CE, CE0A, CE9, CM, CN, CP, CT, CT3, CU, CX, D2, D6,
DL, DU, EA, EA6, EA8, EA9, EI, EK, EP, ER, ES, ET, EU, EX, EZ, F, FG,
FH, FJ, FK, FM, FO, FP, FR, FY, G, GD, GI, GJ, GM, GU, GW, H4, HA, HB,
HB0, HC, HI, HK, HL, HP, HR, HS, HV, HZ, I, IS, J6, JA, JD/o, JW, JX,
JY, K, KH0, KH2, KH6, KL, KP2, KP4, LA, LU, LX, LY, LZ, OD, OE, OH,
OH0, OJ0, OK, OM, ON, OX, OY, OZ, P2, P4, PA, PJ2, PJ7, PY, PY0F, PZ,
S2, S5, S9, SM, SP, ST, SU, SV, SV/a, SV9, T33, T5, T7, T8, T9, TA, TF,
TG, TI, TK, TR, TT, TU, TY, TZ, UA, UA2, UA9, UK, UN, UR, V3, V4, V5,
V7, V8, VE, VK, VP2E, VP2M, VP5, VP8/h, VR, VU, XE, XU, XW, XX9, YA,
YB, YI, YJ, YK, YL, YN, YO, YS, YU, YV, Z2, Z3, ZA, ZB, ZC4, ZD8, ZD9,
ZF, ZK1/s, ZL, ZP, ZS
* PLEASE NOTE: The report "could" contain "Pirate/SLIM" operations or
more likely a "BUSTED CALLSIGN". As always, you never know - "Work
First Worry Later" (WFWL).
3D2/R, ROTUMA. Reports indicate that Christian, 3D2EA, is expected to
operate as 3D2EA/R for one or two weeks starting around July 26-27th.
His plans of activity were not provided. QSL via EB2AYV.
3Y0, PETER I ISLAND. Another press release was posted July 11th on the
3Y0X DXpedition Web page by Bob/K4UEE and Ralph/K0IR. The DXpedition,
which is scheduled to take place between January 20/21st and February
5th, is planning to a have multi-national team of twenty operators. The
current list of operators are: K0IR, K3NA, K4SV, K4UEE, F2JD, HB9AHL,
HB9BHW, LA6VM, NP4IW/6, N2WB, N4GRN, N6OX, UA3AB and W0RUN. Several
invitations are pending that will complete the team. A backup list is
also in place, and they are seeking potential team members who might
to go in the event of a cancellation. If interested, please contact
K4UEE, via E-mail at: mallphin@...
Also, the press release lists the team's scheduled itinerary and states
they expect to be active with 4-6 high power stations operating around
clock for about 2 weeks. Operations will be on 160-6 meters CW, SSB,
and PSK31. The team still needs funds, as well as additional financial
sponsors for this DXpedition. This is a very expensive DXpedition. The
page states, "Fundraising is continuing with the addition of several
fundraisers: W3WL (North/South America), JA1ELY (Asia), F2JD (Europe
and Africa) and ZL2AL (Pacific). For more details and updates, please
visit the DXpedition's Web site at: http://www.peterone.com
7P, LESOTHO. John, G4IRN, is planning a DXpedition to here and will be
active as 7P8RN from September 3-12th. This will be mainly on CW on
160-10 meters. QSL via G4IRN; bureau, E-mail requests, or direct cards
with $ plus a SAE is accepted. The station will be comprised of a 4
tribander at 80 ft plus 2 element on 12/17 and slopers on the low
Further details are available at: http://www.qrz.com
Also, on-line logs will be available after his operation at:
C5, THE GAMBIA. Josep/EA3BT and Nuria/EA3WL will be active from July
to August 4th. Their expected callsigns will be C56BT and C56WL (not
confirmed). They will operate during their spare time only on SSB, on
40-6 meters. QSL via EA3BT.
CO5, CUBA. Juan, CO8TW, will be active in the IOTA Contest as a
entry. QSL via IZ8CCW, and the log will be available after the contest
DXCC NEWS. Bill Moore, NC1L, ARRL DXCC Manager, reports that the
are approved for DXCC credit:
3DXQZ - Republic of Guinea - April 20-30th, 2004
5V7AD - Togo - June 12-22nd, 2004
HZ1AN - Saudi Arabia - All operations
HZ1IZ - Saudi Arabia - All operations
YA7X - Afghanistan - March 1st through April 30th, 2004
YI9MC - Iraq - Current operation effective March 23rd, 2004
HI3, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. Mark, KB2MS, will be active as HI3/KB2MS from
July 29th-August 15th. Activity will be mainly on 20 and 6 meters. QSL
via his home callsign. By the way, Mark is the QSL Manager for HI3NR.
IOTA CONTEST REMINDER. Don, G3XTT, IOTA Contest Manager, sent out the
following reminder: "With the IARU contest out of the way, the next
one' is the IOTA Contest on 24/25 July (1200z to 1200z). There should
plenty of island activity, as always, with lots of island expeditions
already announced. This year it's also a great opportunity to work
towards the IOTA 2004 40th Anniversary Award (for details go to the
DX Club (CDXC) Web pages at: http://www.cdxc.org.uk
Many European islands count for premium points for the award during
An up-to-date list of expected operations appears on NG3K's Web site at
and on DL2VFR's Web page at
- thanks to both of these supporters.
The contest rules are unchanged from 2003 and can be found on the RSGB
Web site at: http://www.rsgbhfcc.org
If you take part, we are very keen to receive your log. Logs go to
iota.logs@... (nrg -sgb.org - this was an error on the Web
and has been corrected). This year you will get an acknowledgement
asking you to visit a Web page to complete your submission. This way we
ensure that we will not need to get back to you to check on the exact
category you have entered, etc. My thanks to Marios 5B4WN/G0WWW for
to write the scripts for this. It will save a lot of post-contest
correspondence with entrants. E-mail logs should be sent with a single
(ideally, Cabrillo) attachment. There is good news if you are a CT
which is that Ken K1EA has now implemented Cabrillo for the IOTA
Please ensure you are using the latest version of CT, and you will be
to send in a conformant Cabrillo log. Most other logging programs (SDI,
Writelog, N1MM, TR, LuxLog, etc.) already support Cabrillo for the IOTA
contest. A reminder, if you are deciding what category to enter, that
Braco, OE1EMS, has kindly compiled a list of records for the contest,
they appear on the IOTA Contest pages on the RSGB HFCC Web site (see
We look forward to receiving your IOTA contest log. If you have any
you can contact us at: iotacontest@... ..."
IOTA NEWS ............
AF-014. Some operators of the Agalega team that activated the
Ilheu de Cima (AF-014, LH. numbers: LH 0830/FMA01) as CT9P
past weekend are planning a second operation and will
in the IOTA contest from Porto Santo Island as CT9X. Porto
is a small island 50 km away from Madeira. Activity will be
July 24-25th from the shack of CT3BX as a Multi-Single on
Operators mentioned are: CT1EPV/Antonio, CT1AGF/Luis,
CT3FN/HB9CRV/Hermann, CT3MD/Jose, HB9EBV/Toni, DJ2VO/Juergen
VA2AM/Rejean. QSL Manager is Kim (daughter of Steve N3SL)
N3SL CBA or QRZ.com.
AS-108. Operators Alfeo/I1HJT, Tony/IK1QBT and Claudio/I1NVU will be
active as OD5/homecall/P starting July 24th. They will be
joined by Naim/OD5LN and will participate in the IOTA
from Ramkin Island. They will have two stations active on
bands (160 meters excluded) SSB and CW, with at least one
amplifier and verticals. Expect activity from the island
July 26th in the local afternoon, then operations will
from the mainland until the 29th. QSOs are also valid for
ARLHS - Lighthouse Awards" ref. LEB 001 and "The WLHA -
Lighthouse Award" ref. AS0020. QSL via I1HJT, direct or via
the Italian Bureau. On-line logs and further information
be available at: http://www.qsl.net/ik1qbt/ramkin_index.htm
AS-117. Kenji, JA4GXS, will be active as JA4GXS/4 during the IOTA
Contest this weekend from Yashiro Islands (JIIA-117-118),
July 24-25th. Look for him on CW and SSB on 21260, 14260 and
10117 kHz. QSL to his home callsign either direct or via the
JARL bureau. JA4GXS's address is: Kenji Sasaki,
2-15 Ishikannon-cho,Yamaguchi,753-0038 Japan.
EU-028. Marco, IZ2DVI, will be on a work trip to Montecristo Island
(IIA LI-015) and will be active on SSB in his spare time as
IA5/IZ2DVI/p. Dates were not provided. QSL via his home
by the bureau or direct.
EU-040. A Hipano-Belgium-Portuguese team will activate CS7T from
Berlenga Island during the IOTA Contest as a Mixed-Mode/Low-
Power entry July 24-25th. Operators mentioned are: CT1CJJ,
CT1ILT, CT1EEB, CT1APE, CT2GLO, EA1CA, EA1OS, EA1DKV, EA4ST
and ON5NT. QSL via CT1ILT. For more inforamtion, please
the Web page at: http://www.qsl.net/ct1eeb/cs7t/
EU-048. Oleg, ES1RA, will be on the Island of Saaremaa now through
July 24th. His callsign will be ES1RA/0. Oleg will use 500w,
a 20m Loop, vertical and a 30, 40, 80 meter dipole. QSL via
the Bureau or direct.
EU-110. Look for Emir/9A6AA, Zoli/HA1AG, Peti/HA1TNX, Lacy/HA3NU,
Anti/HA3OV and Zoli/HA6OI to be active as 9A0CI in this
weekend's IOTA Contest from Sveti Nikola Island (IOCA
as a Multi-Op category. QSL via HA3KNA (for this operation
only!) Before the contest all the operators will be active
9A/homecalls. QSL via the operator's home callsign to the HA
QSL Bureau, or direct. More information is available at:
EU-111. Look for MM0CWJ/p to be active from the Monach Islands
July 22-26th, including the RSGB IOTA Contest. Activity will
be on 80-6 meters, SSB only. QSLs should be sent via WA3RHW:
Bruce T. Carroll, 529 Charleston Rd., Mount Laurel, NJ
EU-123. GM2Z will operate from the Isle of Bute during the RSGB IOTA
Contest [1200z, July 24th until 1200z, July 25th].
Administratively, the Isle of Bute is in Argyll and Bute
Area [CAOSA: AB]. Reference numbers for other awards are:
IOSA CL02, SCOTIA CS19, WAB NS05. Co-ordinates are:
and 0506'30''W [QRA Locator IO75KS]. Pertinent equipment
available to the station is Icom IC-706 transceiver and a
number of portable antennas. Contacts will be carried out on
all HF bands, CW only. It is also planned to take numerous
pictures of the island. All the pictures and further
will be presented as an addition to the publications on the
Scottish HAM Portal - http://www.scotham.net
QSL cards for contacts with GM2Z should be sent via RSGB QSL
Bureau or direct to MM0DFV: Jurij Phunkner, P.O. Box 7469,
Glasgow, G42 OYD, Scotland, U.K. ADDED NOTE: A second
on SSB will be active as GM4TOQ/p, also from Bute Island in
the IOTA Contest.
EU-132. Zick, SP3BJK, will be active from Wiselka on Wolin Island
(SPIA- SZ02) between July 20-27th as SP3BJK/1. Activity will
be on SSB and CW on the HF bands. He is expected to be
during the IOTA Contest. QSL to his home callsign via bureau
EU-136. (Correction to OPDX.668) Laci, HA0HW, informs OPDX that he
provided the wrong month on his upcoming operation. So,
HA0HW (CTC 264) and Tomi/HA4DX (CTC 192) are expected to be
active as 9A/HA0HW and 9A/HA4DX from Silo, Krk Island, North
Adriatic (IOCA: CI-046 ) between August 2-12th. This is a
family holiday, but they will be active during the early
and later evening hours on all HF bands (depending on the
space available for all of the antennas). Activity will
be on CW and PSK31, RTTY and SSB. QSL via their home
either direct (QRZ.com) or through the HA bureau.
EU-149. Oskar, ES7NY, will be on the Island of Naissaar for about 2
months. His callsign will be ES7NY/2. Oskar will use 100w
a Delta Loop antenna. QSL via the Bureau or direct.
EU-172. Axel, DL7VEA, will be active as OZ7VEA from the islands of
Fyn (DIA FY-001) and Langeland (DIA FY-019) now through
August 6th. Activity will be on 80-10 meters SSB and PSK31.
QSL via his home callsign, direct or by the bureau.
EU-176. Operators SM3CXS, SM3EVR, SM3GSK, SM3JGG and SM3XGV will
participate in the IOTA Contest (July 24-25th) as SM3S on
CW/SSB from Grimskar. QSL via SM3GSK, by the bureau or
For activity outside of contest, please QSL via operator's
EU-177. (Attention Prefix Hunters!) Kjell, SM4DDS, will be active as
7S5A from Stora Alo Island, July 21-28th. His activity will
included the IOTA Contest (July 24-25th). Operations will be
on 80-10 meters CW/SSB. QSL via SM4DDS, direct or by the
EU-181. Boyan/LZ1BJ and Ely/LZ1JB will be active as homecall/1 from
Sveta Anastasiya Island, July 23-31st. They plan to operate
on 80-10 meters SSB and CW using 1 Kw, 10 element
ACOM LS108 antenna and vertical antennas. The aim of this
activity is to give opportunity to all IOTA chasers who
need EU-181. QSL via operator's home calls, preferably
NA-061. Hillar/N6HR and Elsie/N7YX will be active from the QTH of
Ron/VE7EDZ on Kaien Island (BC) during the IOTA Contest.
Callsigns most likely will be just homecall/VE7. QSL to
NA-067. (UPDATE) Jon, WB8YJF, will be active as WB8YJF/4 from
Island, NC, now through July 25th. His grid square will be
FM25ac. Jon states he will be using an IC-551D and a whip
mounted on the SUV. Hopefully, running the full 100 watts on
and SSB (hopefully some RTTY too!).
OC-237. Dudy/YB0DPO and possibly others will go to the Peucang
near the Ujung Kulon Banten Province. They will be there
July 21-25th, and will enter the RSGB IOTA Contest as YE1P.
QSL via YB1TC, either by the Bureau or direct to: Soekardi,
P.O. Box 151 BSD, Serpong 15330, Indonesia. More info on the
Island can be found on: http://www.peucang.org
KH2, GUAM. Tack, JE1RXJ, and his wife will be going here for a holiday
to do some sightseeing and diving. However, Tack informs OPDX that he
operate only during the weekend as NB6A/KH2 from Guam (OC-026) between
August 6-8th. Activity will be on 160-6 meters CW/SSB/RTTY. He does
that he will mainly operate 6m, 160m and the WARC bands. QSL via his
homecall, JE1RXJ, either direct (15-11 Saiwai, Hiratsuka-City 254-0804
Japan) or through the JARL Bureau.
M, ENGLAND. Bob, W3YY, informs OPDX that he "is in London and active as
M/W3YY/P through July 20th. Even with a barefoot FT-897D to a random
inside his hotel, room he reports working stateside and many European
OY1, FAROE ISLANDS. Look for Carsten, OY1CT, to be active from Stroemoy
in the RSGB IOTA Contest (July 24-25t) as Single-Op/All-Band CW entry.
QSL via direct. Logcheck or questions can be sent to:
PJ4, BONAIRE. Fred/WW4LL and John/K4BAI will be active as PJ4Z during
the ARRL 10 Meter Contest December 11-12th. They will be active as
PJ4/WW4LL and PJ4/K4BAI on both SSB and CW beginning December 8th
through December 15th. QSL both via the Bureau and/or K4BAI.
QSL INFO AND NEWS..........................
3B8MM/3B9MM QSLS. Mart, DL6UAA, informs OPDX that all direct QSL
requests for the 3B9MM and 3B8MM (Paradise on Air Mission 2004) are
answered. He also mentions that the first batch of incoming bureau
QSLs are answered. Mart does provide an online log on his homepage
at http://www.dl6uaa.com and http://www.hamraido-mauritius.com
for his "P.A.M." activities. He does not accept eQSLing because
he is a QSL collector.
Ray, W8CNL, reports that the logs for 9K9Z (all 14,000 QSOs) and
9K2ZZ/NLD (8295 QSOs) have been uploaded to the LoTW. He has also
uploaded 7703 QSOs for 9K2USA. Again, Ray states, "I DO NOT HAVE ANY
QSL CARDS FOR THIS OPERATION (9K2USA) !! You must go to 9K2RA for
cards." This completes the loading of all of Bob's, (9K2ZZ) logs
from his stay in Kuwait. Ray will continue to answer card requests
for 9K2ZZ, 9K9Z and 9K2ZZ/NLD. A SASE or SAE and postage is a must!!
Cards received without SASE or SAE and postage will be destroyed.
NEW MANAGER. Pepin, CO2TK, informs OPDX that he has a new QSL
Manager as of July 15th. His new Manager is F5CWU: Flo Moudar,
25 rue du castel salis, 37100 TOURS, FRANCE.
AK0A, reported last week (Sunday, July 11th) that all direct QSLs
for T30WB were mailed.
ONLINE LOGS FOR OExxxx/90KK STATIONS. Peter, OE3EPW, President of
AMRS, informs OPDX that "the 'AMRS' now provides an ONLINE LOG for
those friends being interested in knowing whether or not they are in
log of one of those "90KK" stations. The update is usually made
6 to 10 hours." The Web address is as follows: http://www.amrs.at
After being connected to the Web page just click on the "90KK / Info
& Logs" button.
NEW QSL MANAGER. Mike, K3AIR, announces to please update your
to show that effective August 1st, he will be assuming the QSL
duties for Pri/YB0ECT and Dudy/YB0DPO. K5ZE has managed these
for the last 5 years but has had to step down due to a job
Mike will respond to both bureau and direct cards. Direct cards, of
course, must have the appropriate return postage, IRC or GS.
Bob, W5KNE, informs OPDX that Morris Guzick, W5IO, of Sherman,
became a Silent Key July 8th and was laid to rest July 12th in
Bob states, "He was a well known DXer with 385 countries confirmed.
have placed his obit (from the funeral) on my Web site and added
some DXCC data at the end", at: http://www.dxer.org
Dave, VA3RJ, reports that Ronald ("Ron") Mervin Brown, VE3WZ, of
Pickering, Ontario, became a Silent Key Thursday, July 15th, at
the age of 72. He was an avid QRPer and Contester.
OPDX and its readers would like to send out their deepest sympathy
to the families and friends of both W5IO and VE3WZ.
SPECIAL EVENT. In commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the
of the Town of Saint Lo, by the 29th American Infantry division, Major
Howie (killed on July 17th, 1944), the Manche area hams will air the
special callsign TM6SLO now through July 25th. QSL via F9CH. Suggested
frequencies are: 3644, 7074, 14174, 18160, 21174, 24940 and 28574 kHz.
For more info on the Battle of Saint Lo, please visit the following Web
page at: http://www.normandie44lamemoire.com/version%20anglaise
SV8, GREECE (Maritime Mobile Op). Pietro, IZ2ELA, informs OPDX that he
will be active between August 7-21st, during his holiday on a boat
from Corfu Island to Zante Island. His callsign will be SV8/IZ2ELA/MM.
Look for activity on 10/15/17/20 meters, CW-SSB. No IOTA activity is
possible. QSL via his home callsign, direct ONLY (SAE only, 1 IRC is
appreciated..., no green stamps please). IZ2ELA's address is:
Pietro Volpi Longari, Via M.Buonarroti 7, 20149 MILANO, ITALY.
TJ, CAMEROON. Operators Manfred/DK1BT, Wolf/DL4WK, Reiner/DL7KL,
Frank/DL7UFR and Les/SP3DOI will be active from Kribi as TJ3SP and
October 6-20th. Sigi, DL7DF, informed OPDX they received their license
March 23rd. They plan to have 4 stations (3 w/amps) active. Their
and antennas are: IC735, IC706, PA's, Vertical Titanex V80E, Vertical
40m, Vertical for 30m, Beam A3WS and a Beam for 20, 15, 10m. Activity
will be on 80-10 meters and the WARC bands. There will be no 6m and
(NO LICENCE/AUTHORIZATION in CAMEROON). Most of the activity will be on
the low bands and on RTTY, PSK31 and SSTV. They are looking for some
support for their DXpedtion because of some problems with
of oversized and extra baggage. The operation's Web page is at:
VQ9, CHAGOS ISLANDS. Larry, VQ9LA (N0QM), has been QRT for a couple of
months and has been on vaction back in the states. He is presently in
Philippines. He informs OPDX that he will be back in VQ9-land on July
and will start operating again. Larry states that he has taking another
year contract with his company, so VQ9 will be active again when he
at Diego Garcia. His plans are to operate a lot on the low bands this
season for those who need 160 meters to 30 meters on all modes. He
to confirm as my QSOs as possible. QSL via the address on QRZ.com.
YV0, AVES ISLAND. Word out of Japan reports that Mike, K6MYC, (via
W7GJ) states, "We leave Venezuela on July 28th on a 24 hour boat ride
to Aves. We may get on the air late on July 29th but don't count on it.
I'll try to have 14.345 com set up immediately with Quad loop and 100W.
We should have GPS timing working so we can take skeds for JT65A and
should be operational some time on July 30th. Best guess is we tear
on August 7th or 8th. We are there for ten days, but I believe that
the two travel days. Keep an eye out for the official announcement on
DX sites. To repeat, earlier equipment I will have: 1 KW (8877) on 6M
2 x 41 feet yagis (M2 specials) (no elevation) and 350W on 2M and 15.7
yagi with elevation to about 45 degrees. Martti, OH2BH, is going and
be taking his two, now famous, solid state HF KW amps, and at his
were made special to get about 500W on 6M so we have a backup amplifier
8877 has problems. Please pass this message to all 6M friends and all
EMEr friends. Gary/KB8RQ and Dave/W5UN will probably have most
comm to me on 14.345 and can handle questions and sked times. Try to
2M JT65A skeds after my moon is over 25 degrees on my rise and before
degrees on my set. My above the noise random frequency will be 144.080
Xmit, and I will listen up 2 to 5 KHz for randoms. Grid square for YV0
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