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Fecha:Miercoles, 21 de Enero, 2009  08:17:20 (-0500)
Autor:David J. Sourdis <hk1kxa @.......com>
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Not really. The law is the law.

When i n the USA, people are required to follow USA laws.

When in Colombia, people are required to follow Columbia 's laws.

It's so simple it is not worth worrying a bout. If they operated illegally, in particular without a license to operate, they should be disqualified. < div align="right">Reply With Quote
El comité de concursos del la CQ está esperando a que el Mincom se pronuncie sobre el caso. Se le ha pasad o al Sr. Edgar Correa un mail con copia del artículo men cionando el caso en la página de Radiosports. Espero que se pronuncie pronto el Mincom y sancione, de ser lo adec uado, ejemplarmente a los implicados en este circo.
Tenía entendido que HK3RA no dió permiso para uso de su indicativo. De lo contrario el Sr. Torres ha infringid o la ley si permitió el uso de su indicativo.

El prestigio de la radioafición colombiana y la credibilida d de las autoridades que la regulan están en juego.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:28:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [dxcolombia] "RE:RE: [dxcolombia] HK3AR operación ilegal"

Hernán buenos días& nbsp;  poco acostumbro "terciar"  en estas po lémicas y solo pretendo dar mi humilde opinión & nbsp; 
Hace muchos años, cuando éramos una cifra importa nte de personas con licencia (mas NO Radioaficionados), e ra exactamente eso: una buena cantidad de gente que nec esitaba comunicarse con su cas y con su oficina; era vi tal tener auto teléfono para que las secretarias  m ayordomos y familiares llamaran...... peo eran sol o eso:  la única forma barata de solucionar un pr oblema de comunicaciones.  Dentro de ese gran numero de Personas con licencia, estábamos algunos que nos g ustaba hablar por radio ( a otros les gusta coleccionar estampillas, otros les gusta coleccionar monedas, etc. ...).
Apa rece el Celular en Colombia, y por supuesto esa es una solución de comunicaciones mil veces mas eficiente y les resuelve el problema.  
Yo pensaría que esas person as nunca fueron Radioaficionados;  aquí las llamà ¡bamos "Radionecesitados"............  
 
Y no es que ten ga nada que ver con empresas de Celulares, ni soy "defe nsor de oficio";  solo soy un feliz usuario de uno de ellos.
 
En lo que si tienes toda la razon y lo hemos dicho mil veces, es qeu el costo de la obtención de una licencia,& nbsp; entorpece muchísimo la actividad de la radio.&nb sp; Es increible que para poder tener un "hobbie"  haya que pagarle al  Estado
 
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Esbueno poner atención al tema per o no darle tanta tiza, cuando la radioafición en colom bia pasa por la mayor crisis existencialista, dede la p romulgación de la Ley 94 de 1993, y sus decretos regamen tarios, que históricamente, en lugar de promover el ho oby le están dando un entrieero de tercera; en 1994 er amos al rrededor de 18.000, licencias, que por los costos , los celos de instituciones y pleeas de colegas, como la que Ud asumen,(esbueno reportar al ministerio pero n o darle tanta polémica al asunto) destruye y no constr uye, pues ahora solo quedamos unos 1650 aproximadamente; dediquémonos a construir presentando propuestas aserti vas que promuevan la unión, la investigación, la prom osión, y la rebaja de los costos de licencias, operació n de asociaciones, repetidoras e importación de equipo s, para que la telefonía celular no siga cusando daño s en la actividad de las nuevas generaciones

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Saludos a todos los colegas de DXCOLOMBIA.
Juan Camilo, ni más ni menos la razón de volver a retomar este caso fue la de mostrar que la gran mayoría de radioaficionados del mundo que o pinaron en QRZ.COM, estuvieron de acuerdo en que esa oper ación fue ilegal, dandote un espaldarazo por lo que en s u momento fuiste capaz de denunciar.
Y mi opinión en este caso es que las leyes y decretos que rigen la radio afición en Colombia fueron violadas por estos señores, que tenían la obligación de cumplir en todo con estas d isposiciones. La ignorancia de las leyes no es excusa par a el delito Y es que fue un delito el haber usufructuado el espectro radioeléctico en Colombia, el haber usado in dicativos no asignados, porque ni siquiera fueron solicit ados y ademas están adjudicados a una persona natural en Colombia, el haber usado equipos de telecomunicaciones s in la autorización correspondiente, etc etc. En otra ép oca cuando existía el estatuto antiterrorismo,  el echo de usar, portar o poseer un equipo de comunicaciones sin licencia, era considerado algo similar al porte ileg al de armas y castigado dúramente.
Ante las leyes de nuestra República deben responder estos señores. Los or ganizadores de concursos para radioaficionados deben toma r las medidad correspondientes para evitar que su credibi lidad se vea deteriorada y más aún que se conviertan en cómplices de esas actuaciones.
Para terminar este co mentario debo decir que no quiero que estos casos pasen a l olvido para evitar que esto vuelva a ocurrir en nuestro país y en la radioafición mundial.
Cordialmente


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Roberto, HK1AA:

El indicativo que fue suplan tado ilegalmente es el de Wolfgang Torres, HK3RA, no HK3A R. Ya que usted se tomó la molestia de reproducir esa la rga polémica en QRZ.COM, que está llena de desinformaci ón, mentiras e insultos, especialmente por parte de dos radioaficionados (4L5A y LU5DX) que sin conocer la r ealidad de las cosas se pusieron a especular para defende r y justificar una operación abusiva e ilegal, que fue d enunciada por un buen grupo de radioaficionados colombian os, sería bueno conocer cuál es su opinión al respecto .

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BLACKMAIL ON CQ WW CONTEST COMITTEE

Some hams are labling the operation of HK3RA by Russian amateu r Dimirti Kryukov RA3CO
as a hijacking, or the unauth orized use of a callsign not assigned to the operator. In his defense, Dimitri
claims that he was lent the call sign by its actual owner, Wolfgang Torres, who is reporte dly not
a contester. Regardless, Colombian law does no t permit amateurs to lend their callsign to another perso n.

A group of Colombian hams, led by Juan Camilo R odriguez, HK3CQ, have filed a formal complaint
to CQ W W CC .

Further complicating the matter are the act ions of another Colombian station, HK1AR, a.k.a. Tony
Rogozinski (W4OI), who permitted Kryukov and others to re nt his QTH and operate his station in
the 2007 CQ WW C ontest. Also named in the complaint is Girts Budis, YL2KL as an HK1AR callsign "user".


The bottom line is that a group of Colombian operators are asking that th e prohibition against
"callsign lending" be strictly e nforced in their country and that RA3CO and YL2KL be proh ibited from
conducting further operations in Colombia and to be DQed .

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Further complicating t he matter are the actions of another Colombian station, H K1AR, a.k.a. Tony Rogozinski (W4OI), who permitted Kryuko v and others to rent his QTH and operate his station inthe 2007 CQ WW Contest.
Someone rented another ham's station? I can think o f a few stations that are "rented" each CQ contest. This is a problem why??
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When operating in Col ombia or other countries with similar rules, you can rent the equipment, but it's up to the operator to have a val id license and in Colombia using someone else's license i sn't allowed.

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Because Colombian law as cited in Chap ter VII, Article 76, Section 9 of the rules that regulate amateur radio activities in that country, states.....
You have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. Citing "Columbian" amateur laws?

Now, I've seen everything.
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You have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. Citing "Columbian" amateur laws?

Now, I'v e seen everything.
And the problem with following the laws of a particular country is....wha t? One could twist your comment to indicate that someone who visits the US can ignore US regulations. I know that is not what you mean....but what makes Colombian law any less "legal" in their country than US law here? Opening T HAT door will get you in deep kimchee.....as they were in Colombia, the local law prevails. As the amateur radio c ommunity is international, we do well to respect the laws which impact our hobby. How would you feel if someone ca me to the US and borrowed your call? Not happy, I would f eel certain. The fact that it was "lent" is still in viol ation of their law...and, IIRC, it would also be illegal here unless the callholder was the control op of the site and on site.

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"The bottom line is that a group of C olombian operators are asking that the prohibition agains t
"callsign lending" be strictly enforced in their cou ntry and that RA3CO and YL2KL be prohibited from
condu cting further operations in Colombia "

no differen t than if someone from outside the US, who did not have v alid reciprocal priveleges here, borrowed your station/ca ll and used it for a contest.

Heck, what's a stink in' license?

Only absolutely necessary to have a valid contest entry.

You don't think checking law s is important? So what if the guy is in EU, and borrows a US call and operates from there and wins.....what laws. ....why should anyone complain....ha ha.....

The f olks in Columbia have a right to point out their laws req uire an operator have a valid permission to operate in th eir country, and must use their own assigned call.

A Russian cannot borrow your call. He can borrow your st ation - or operate multi-op IF he has a valid permission to operate in the USA. But not otherwise.

Columbi an law apparently is different...no multi-op stations usi ng personal call signs.....dunno about club stations if t hey have them.
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I rea d through the link above, and I assume they accurately qu oted the regulation.

It seems to me that it's prob ably subject to interpretation. What do they mean "used" by a third person? Here, the callsign was assigned to a C olombian ham for the station in his home, and he allowed the Russian to operate. As someone else pointed out, if t he word "used" is interpreted as this group did, this mea ns that any kind of multi-op station is also illegal.

It looks like the contest committee asked the people making the complaint to get an opinion from the Colombian authorities clarifying this, and they failed to do so. I t seems to me quite likely that they failed to do so beca use the Colombian authorities don't see it as a violation .

This doesn't appear to be a case of a guy showin g up on Colombian soil and borrowing a callsign for his o wn personal use, which the term "hijacking" seems to impl y.

In other words, it sure sounds like there are t wo sides to this particular story.
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Nobody is against law but whe n HK3CQ is quired for 3 years and after that start compla in about previouse operations I start think why?
When I see that HK3CQ trying to rent his station with no menti on about local law WHY?
When he is travelling in South America and asking for support and find guy in Argentina who is speculating using name of George LU8DQ WHY?
Lo cal hams in HK need to be aware of the law right?
You know when I find that on qrz.com:
PLEASE NO BUREAU. ON LY DIRECT QSL VIA QRZ.COM Since january 2003 postal servi ce in Colombia increased 100%. Most of the QSL's for my J et Box adress in Miami will be returned from Colombia: Pl ease no USA or Colombian stamps. Due to exchange rate the mailing cost it's about US$3.
You can check your self on HK3CQ profile
Then I think many things becoming m uch more clearer
If I will come to US and will ask lo cal friend if I can use his call sign and he will say yes then its ok for me and I think also for you if you visit another country
In this sitaution I think HK3CQ is j ust trying to get more people to rent his station instead of HK1AR station and thats it its dont have any kind of the connection with law only with his personnal interest and LU1DZ is just trying to satisfy his EGO
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You have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. Citing "Columbian" amateur laws?

Now, I've seen everything.
Walt currently lives in and operates from V enezuela, and frequently travels to Colombia. Knowing tho se laws is part of the time on his hands. He knows that i nformation better than anyone else here.
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"There's not too much you ca n't fix, with $200.00 and a .30-06" -Col. Jeff Cooper

Who's Col. Jeff Cooper?

Bren 10 designer, and one of the folks th at contributed much to personal defense weapon developmen t and use. He certainly didn't come up with the "Hollywoo d side shooter" (common in movies...holding a firearm "si deways" instead of upright...dumb!) but developed and tau ght points that anyone that owns a firearm should know. A decent read is located at:

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Can I post " CALL SIGN FOR RENT?"
- Any station must comply with the rules. IARU has t he reciprocal agreement for the convenience of all signat ories. We understand that getting a permission to operate outside the U.S, even if there's a reciprocal agreement between two countries is sometimes a pain in the butt. Lo cal authorities in any countries are not always aware abo ut the reciprocal agreement. A local police, mayor, congr essman, senator in Colombia, Venezuela, Cuba etc.. are no t aware what is all about amateur radio.
When you boar ded a plane to your destination outside the U.S, upon you r arrival in any country, if anyone seeing you erecting a tower with antennas and radios, you are getting a passer s-by attention thinking that you are doing a military ope ration of some sort, and you will be reported to a local police, and then the problem will start. You will be ask the 5 W's and you will try to explain that you are a ham- local people will say " WHAT is THAT?"

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From the standpoint of this being a newsworthy item deserving front page attention -- it is NOT! This is opinion by 4L5A and really should be treated as such.

News is "Who, what, when, where a nd how" as fully corroborated with factual evidence prior to publication. Past that its opinion and until the fact s are corroborated. Therefore, as 4L5A has not presented any corroborated this entire matter cannot be construed a s anything other than his opinion.

Also, this is a privately sponsored event. As such it is up to the judge s and only the judges to decide eligability. 4L5A and any one else has the right to file a letter of that asks the judges to take note of what he preceives as a violattion of the contest rules and to provide evidence, but thats w here it ends.

If and when this matter is resolved by the person or persons judging the event it becomes a fait de complais. Until that happens this is naught but o ne ham radio operators opinion.

Also, where is the re any "blackmail" involved? The legal definitions of the term "blackmail" are:

1. Extortion of money or so mething else of value from a person by the threat of expo sing a criminal act or discreditable information.

2. Something of value extorted in this manner.

3. Tribute formerly paid to freebooters along the Scottish b order for protection from pillage.

With all due re spect to 4L5A, unless he can conclusively prove that thos e involved in the operation paid tribute (extortion monie s) to the contest sponsor(s) I would strongly suggest tha t he retract the use of that term. By using it without pr oviding proof that "blackmail" in the legal sense has occ urred he places himself and the owners of this website in to legal jeopardy should those he accuses and/or the cont est sponsors deem his remarks to be libelous, slanderous or in legal "bad light."

Far to much in the way of opinion is being given credibility as being newsworthy. Separating opinion from fact is something that we in the media are quite concerned about. You should be too.
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Not really. The law is the law.

When i n the USA, people are required to follow USA laws.

When in Colombia, people are required to follow Columbia 's laws.

It's so simple it is not worth worrying a bout. If they operated illegally, in particular without a license to operate, they should be disqualified.
I Could Not Agree More Disqualif y Them!!! Our Rules Should Not Be Broken Without being Pu nished We Are Self POLICING !!!!!
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If I would let another ham rent (or use) my location and station (and call)
I would ask to show me the operators valid U.K. (or reciprocal) licence.
Is there no licence the operation is ILLEGAL !
Where is t he problem ?
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You have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. Citing "Columbian" amateur laws?

Now, I'v e seen everything.
Actually I can s ee eastern Colombia out of my window right now and I do m ake sure I operate within the law where ever I do operate .

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I read through the link above, and I assume t hey accurately quoted the regulation.

It seems to me that it's probably subject to interpretation. What do they mean "used" by a third person? Here, the callsign wa s assigned to a Colombian ham for the station in his home , and he allowed the Russian to operate. As someone else pointed out, if the word "used" is interpreted as this gr oup did, this means that any kind of multi-op station is also illegal.
The ac tual text in Spanish reads:
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9. No permitir el uso de sus indicativos de llamada a cualquier otra persona.
Sounds pretty clear to me, not much room for interpretat ion and the translation is accurate.

The entire HK rules are here if you read Spanish.

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T he entire HK rules are here if you read Spanish.
Thanks for the link. Well, it doe s look like they regulations are picky about who uses the callsign:

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13. I dentificarse con sus propios indicativos, cuando se esté n realizando transmisiones a través de una estación que no sea de su propiedad, seguidos de las palabras "operan do desde" y los indicativos asignados a la estación desd e la cual efectúa la transmisión. It sounds like the guy should have been ID'ing with his own callsign and the words "operating fr om" the host's callsign.

BTW, I think we worked be fore, if you had a different call several years ago! I wa s /YV.
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Dear Friends,
That words of HK3CQ I call blackmail:
"The situation is so severe that many have said they wil l no longer participate in CQWW contests until the commit tee takes action."

Now look on that advertizement made by his friend
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/grou p/wwsatest/message/130
Do you see any word that yo u need to apply for license to operate from this station? He is talking about keyer etc and now LU1DZ is start com paign against contesters from other countries
Look on that:
Its interesting did Colombian law is allowing t hat?
Call: 5K5Z
Operator(s): W4OI
Station: HK3CQ

Class: SOSB/20 LP
QTH: Colombia
Operating T ime (hrs): 26

Summary:
Band QSOs Zones Countrie s
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160:
80:
4 0:
20: 1585 36 118
15:
10:
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Total: 1585 36 118 Total Score = 750,0 00
Its CQ WW CW 2004

According to QRZ.COM 5K5Z is belong to:

Gary McClellan,3422 E Altadena Ave ,Phoenix, USA

That clearly show how HK3CQ is follo wing own country rules Propably he need to send complain about his self also to CQ WW CC and to Ministry of Commun ication of Colombia


Its very clear for what HK 3CQ is fighting for and I have confirmation of it
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Im happy Hans MZ8A is say very right things
We are a ll forgeting about responsibility of station owner
It s very simple if for example I become crazy and will allo w terrorist to use my station who will be responsible for that?
Or then HK3CQ will send letter to Usama asking him to DQ him :-)
Its just dirty game and for what HK3 CQ is fighting for its clearly showed by his qrz.com prof ile
LU5DX Martin is send emails to 10 most active HK c ontesters and 7 of them is comeback to him and say that t hey are not supporting what HK3CQ and LU1DZ is doing
I f HK3CQ is dont know his own rules or not follow it befor e then he need to organize his self first and then asking to DQ people and specially for past contests also
Hans Thank you very much for multipliers in many contes ts MM0XAU is unforgetable call but now its even easier to remember MZ8A
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All this thread has gone out of hand. Let m e clarify.
1) The CQWW contest committee has asked for an official response from the Colombian Ministry of Comm unications. The Ministry has not provided it's response u ntil it makes its own investigation, give it time to make their own decision. It would be utterly irresponsible fo r a Ministry to act on something without making it's own research. It is a lie that the Ministry has declined acti on or not replied.
2) No it's not blackmail...that is ridiculous! Simply, HK hams are very concerned that the CQWW has not taken action against the offenders and have concerns about future participation, if rules are not str ictly followed. Where is the blackmail?
3) If you oper ate form Colombia you are are obligated to comply with Co lombian ham rules, laws from the US, Kenya or Switzerland have absolutely no force in Colombia
Speculation is king, facts talk for themselves, lets stick to the facts!
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It sound s like the guy should have been ID'ing with his own calls ign and the words "operating from" the host's call sign.

BTW, I think we worked before, if you had a different call several years ago! I was /YV.
Yep, it sounds like at best he w asn't ID'ing properly and at worst he wasn't properly lic ensed for operation in HK. As mentioned by HK3CW, it's up to the Colombian Ministry to determine how stringent the ir rules are.

I think I remember working you sever al years ago. Maybe 40m and you were in Caracas? My old c all was KE5WJ and I was operating YV1/KE5WJ. Or is my mem ory bad?

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I read through the link above, and I assume they acc urately quoted the regulation.

It seems to me that it's probably subject to interpretation. What do they me an "used" by a third person? Here, the callsign was assig ned to a Colombian
In other words, it sure sounds lik e there are two sides to this particular story.
The fact are:
1) The russ ian operator never applied for an HK license
2) He (th e adjective is right) hijacked the "HK3RA" call for himse lf thinking that nobody would notice and used it abusivel y, without the knowledge of the real license holder - HK3 RA, who does not know the code or participates in contest s.
3) The year prior, Mr. Kurykov used the license le nt by him by HK1AR (a known ebay scammer, W4OI). That was the first time he acted illegally.
So why did this a ll happen to come about? HK hams began an investigation o ver a strange HK3RA call in the contest and other illegal operations began surfacing, not strangely, all endorsed by HK1AR. His need for cash has led him to "rent" his sta tion, without any regard to HK ham regulations.
We in Colombia will not tolerate illegal operations, even if w e are going to be subjected to false accusations and cond emnation from people that do not know the facts and simpl y judge without knowing what really happened, like Mr. 4L 5A! Who way from in the middle of nowhere says he knows t he truth..what a bunch of BS.
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Lets see what we have here. N9AMI is saying let s not make a big deal out of this. well i wounder how he and others with the same attetude would feel if all of a sudden there call was up for grabs on ebay for example. n ow thats a thought.
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What's the big deal about r enting or using someone else's license? Heck, it's done t housands of times a day in the US by illegal aliens.. dri vers licenses, social security numbers, voter ID's.. thou sands of such transactions occur in the US every day. Mus t only be an issue if radio is involved.
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Law need to be same for everyone and not different for HK3CQ and differe nt to YL2KL,RA3CO
Rob check I send you private messag e via qrz.com and propably that will open for you somethi ng
Why you pushing to DQ YL2KL and RA3CO?
Why HK3C Q is not following own country rules?
Why you not talk ing about responsibility of station owners?
Its looks for me that HK3CQ and HK1AR is didnt know
the rules b efore and only now find it out?
HK3CQ is didnt complai n about YL2KL operation for 3 years and he is involved in that and have correspondance with YL2KL and even give hi m some offers
I think that need to be fixed in ham sp irit and not a way
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I send private message to Rob HK3CW in which I show him clearly that another well known Colombian ama teur is involve in that
I show him correspondance and one of the email is say that HK3RA is happy to allow RA3 CO to use his call in the contest
Its looks like peop le is dont know their own law
Dear Rob tell me PLEASE
1.operation of W4OI from HK3CQ qth with call sign 5K5 Z is legal or not?
2.When owner of the station is allo wing anybody to use his call or another person call he re sponsible for that or not

Im happy to see that you going to activize San Andres Island in CQ WW 160M Contes t
I think its possible that first time that country w ill be active in CQ WW 160
GREAT!!!!
I hope 5K0CW i s club call sign and not your private call otherwise K5UO and WF5W can be in trouble
Lets hope not
Like we all know PTT is usually listen to radiamateur league why you not ask your local PTT to allow guest operators?

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I think we shou ld take a cue from the Columbian authorities and ban hija cking - or renting of others' stations by anyone, anywher e. This would put contesting on a much more level footing for all. The Russian did nothing more than any of the Ca ribbean flyaway (Cinderella station) contesters do each m ajor contest.

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Dont lump us contest travelers who:
- fol low the rules
- apply for and wait 6 months for a lice nse
- lug a bunch a stuff through multiple airports
- pay stupid duties and bribes
- fork over costs to rent a QTH and airfare
- answer a bunch of QSL request s

with some lazy hams that dont think its required to get a real license.

So the next time you call me during the contest and I dont quite hear you, remember this Cinderella op.
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I have not received anything and I don't see why somebody has to sen d me private messages to "clearly" demonstrate anything t hat hasn't already been said or demonstrated in this foru m..why a private email..is there something to hide?
H K3RA is not a happy camper and anyone who says the contra ry is lying his pants off. Jesus! The guy didn't even kno w until we found out! That the hell are you saying? Why a re you accusing HK3CQ for an illegal operation?
Again lets stick to the facts and not invent what you would li ke. 5K5Z was an operation that Tony Rogozinski (w4OI) did from the farm of HK3CQ. Hk3CQ did not rent his place and never has. We had all just met Tony a few weeks back and he asked for a place to operate a contest, HK3CQ lent hi m his shack outside of Bogota in his farm, without any pa yment. I personally went to check on this operation with HK3CQ to see how it was going and we saw that Mr. Rogozin ski was using a call that was not supposed to, 5k5Z-- 5k is alright but he used 5k5 and he should have used 5K3... it was strange to us and we confronted him about it and u sing the "gringo" card said that is what the ministry had allotted him. A big lie as the Ministry does not allot c allsigns to the wrong district area of Colombia. That was our first encounter with this guy, who deceived HK3CQ an d even broke a window and did other inappropriate things in HK3CQ' farm. That was our first brush with Tony's anti cs and since that operation he got a place outside of Bog ota, rents it for a ridiculous amount of money and says h e will not be in charge of callsigns. I personally helped two operations to get licenses to operate from Tony's ot her place in Cartagena (hk1), since then I have not helpe d anybody else get licenses since his ex-wife took away h is property from him and because of his lack of morale. K ey collectors who know him well have denounced and unmask ed this guy for years! Did you know Tony has been blown o ff eBay for 34 times, for using deceiving practices, not paying for items or a number of illegal acts on eBay? Thi s guy is a class act! When he came to Colombia we all acc epted him and tried to help him in all ways possible...be ing fellow ham.

Now lets not be fast in blowing w histles on someone you don't even know. I know for a fact everything that happened and know Hk3CQ..a dear friend, respected Dxer and honest person. Respect the guy for doi ng what he did, not throw stones at him for trying the ke ep our hobby honest.
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Lets hope not
We have not even begun the operation and you are already accusing us of not usin g a proper call? Who says we have to use a club callsign? Where did this guy come from? I have nothing to prove to you. What are these uncanny accusations, you are delusio nal and are fast to shoot bullets to whoever is around, g et another person not me...first you accuse HK3CQ of what ever you like and now you accuse me ... and I have not e ven started operating yet!! What a jerk!
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Rob I just ask you a nd if you dont like to answer the question then that mean 5K0CW is not club callsign also
I dont have anything against anybody but you know if we
talking about law then law need to be same for everyone
and propably tha t will be best if you HK amateurs will ask
PTT to allo w guest operators to use HK call signs
I dont see any answer from you also on my email which I send to you here via qrz.com
You dont have anything to say?
You com eup here specially to support HK3CQ and LU1DZ?
Then ap prove atleast that what they are do is right
I give y ou so many examples and you cant answer any of my questio n
You need to remember that not only you can write let ters
to Ministry of Communication of Colombia but we can do the same
You dont think its better to stop att ack on RA3CO and YL2KL because they are dont do anything different to what you and HK3CQ is do
73 Al 4L5A
P S Look on the top of the page you can see there is privat e message waiting for you
There is copies of the lett ers which propably will give you chance to see how story is looks from another end
Rob I just like that we all respect each other and listen to each other
You dont like W4OI its up to you but you know again when we coming to any country we count our local friends like experts a nd if HK1AR is renting qth for so many years and no body of our Colombian friend say anything about that then ever yone is think its legal
Its not very ethic to start co mplain about pass operation and also if you will be able to check that private mail on qrz.com you will see there is letter where well known HK3 amateur is informing RA3CO that everything is agreed etc etc etc






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I understand you dont like what W4OI is do and you describe all the f acts and for me is also looks not nice but also with anot her reason
Rob if 5K5Z operate illegally from HK3CQ lo cation and like we both see there is many mistakes in thi s operation then that will be great if you will announce rules of operation in HK but you know in the situation wh ich we have today HK3CQ is asking to DQ RA3CO and YL2KL a nd those two guys is dont do anything wrong there is adve rtizement of renting qth and they are rent it and pay mon ey for it
I think only the mistake they are have they are trust info
which they are get from local hamradi o operators
Why you asking to DQ operators whom someb ody put in mistake?
We all becoming nervouse and start complaing to each other etc etc
You think its not be tter to finish that story with ham radio spirit to inform everyone how it need to be done in Colombia in the futur e and not blaim people for their trust to the local hams?
I wish you GL in coming CQ WW 160m CW Contest and Im sure you will make lot of people very happy
I dont rem ember HK0 active in CQ WW 160M contest
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There is nothing strange that needs to be do ne when operating in Colombia...just be legal...These two guys knew it. Now on the YL..he sent me emails just a couple of weeks before he came to Colombia, for me to help him get a license. I told him it was impossible with such a short notice. That is all I e ver knew of him again until we saw him operate as HK1/YL2 KL! I told him he would be illegal and he never replied. I have all the emails to prove it! Now I sent the ARRL de sk the information on this and called and spoke to them. They said the only thing they could do is deny his LOTW r equest...strangely YL2KL never requested LoTw for his ill egal operation.

Now lets just cut to the chase an d end this soap opera: if YL2KL or RA3CO show their licen ses provided by the Ministry of Communications of Colombi a, they will CLEARLY demonstrate they had permission to o perate and that will shut our Colombian whistle-blowing m ouths right?
They will never do that because the NEVE R even bothered to get a license, they though this was a banana republic that nobody would care or even hear the h am bands...they were so wrong and now are paying for it.< br>Again if you still want to blame HK3CQ go for it..he a nd we all know the truth and will fight to the end even i f half the ham community is against us! Why do we have to fight so much for people to be honest? Is this what ham radio has become?
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Dear Rob,
Thank you very much for your post
Let me tell you something
I dont count Colombia or any other country like banana co untry
Thank you very much Im happy that you read my l etter and you understand why I make it private
I can t ell you one things you can believe it or not RA3CO and YL 2KL is didnt know its illegal to operate that way
Its surpize for both of them and you see propably what
D mitriy RA3CO tell radio-sport
I think their mistake is that they are trust another amateur and you see in situa tion with RA3CO he trust another amateur from Colombia wh o tell him that he have
can use HK3RA call sign
O f course license cant be issued verbally
You know HK1 RA/W4OI is charching money to operate from his station an d if RA3CO or YL2KL will know in advance do you think the y are rent that station?
There is many other qths arou nd which you can rent
Both of them is not expect any problem and think its
absolutely legal and thats only reason why they are operate
You give us example abou t 5K5Z and you see how its go
and thats create the pr oblem and nothing is go out because that operation accept ed and no one is hear about
any kind of the problem < br>I think when somebody rent the station he take first r esponsibility whats going on and if law of the country fo llowed
You know whats going to be happen if I will as k you Rob let me use your station and will start operate with call sign
lets say 3Y0A you will stop me immedia tly right?
You know Rob those two amateurs YL2KL,RA3CO is both
candidates also to parcipicate in WRTC 2010 and if Colombian radioamateurs will fight for their DQ an d if make pressure on CQ WW CC to DQ them that will be no t right with my opinion
So many people is against Col ombian law during that last year and I think reason of th at is not knowing that
I think responsibility of that is not primary of visitor
its primary of contest sta tion owner
You know if somebody will visit me and say let me operate contest and will start operation with HK3C W call sign do you think I will allow him to do that?
I send private letter to Juan HK3CQ quite long time ago < br>and I ask him to fix that question with ham spirit way
To use that mistakes ( which not only visitors but a lso locals do ) to prevent from similar situation in the future and thats it
You know if you will see somebody going to operate from
Colombia you can inform him th at if he will dont have call sign its illegal
Please dont create different rules for different people
We w ill all appreciate that and I think we can allways find a way to show our respect to each other and support our ra dioamateur friendship
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It is regrettable the manner reality has been distorted with the operation of RA3CO, Dimitri Kriukov and YL2KL, Girts Budis in Colo mbia during the CQWW DX past contests. This is all really very amusing to read the comments of people who venture to speculate, providing false accusations against me with out even knowing the truth of the facts, coming to false conclusions, concluding about facts they don’t know and even adjusting the Colombian law to advocate for illegal operations. For this I do have to clarify the following:

- The complaint submitted to the Ministry of Comm unications of Colombia was not only signed by me, HK3CQ, but also by 20 other recognized and noted dxers and conte sters in Colombia. We are not unknown or anonymous; we ar e active hams and knowledgable of Colombian ham regulatio ns and international contests. Among others, our complain t was signed/endorsed by HK3W, HK3CW, HK6DOS, HK1X, HK6P, HK3O, HK3TU, HJ3LAO, HJ3MQ, HK3GXI, HK3PSA, HK3GAL, HK3L GO, HK3Q, HK4KDO, HK1KXA, HK3JCA, HJ3LAO and HJ3MQ beside s HK7AJE as the President of the Federation of Ham Clubs in Colombia, FRACOL (for its Spanish acronym), the nation al association which groups the largest number of hams in the country. Some of those who endorsed the complaint ar e not even members of FRACOL, I mention this as it has be en said that the signatures had been wrongfully acquired, when on the contrary it was a spontaneous, conscientious and independent action. From the date the complaint was filed to the Ministry, many other Colombian hams have exp ressed their support and today, without a doubt, many oth ers would additionally endorse the complaint.

- 4 L5A and LU5DX have tried to diminish the accusations agai nst RA3CO and YL2KL throwing dirt at HK3CQ with false and ridiculous accusations. Remember that not only HK3CQ has complained, in defense of the dignity and honesty of ham radio in Colombia but a number of other Colombian hams h ave endorsed this action, as many other hams from differe nt parts of the world. Now 4L5A and LU5DX would have to f abricate more lies against all the signees and the facts would still be the same, RA3CO and YL2KL violated Colombi an ham regulations and the rules of the CQWW DX operating without a license and operating using a lent call, expre ssly prohibited by our ham legislation, where guest opera tors are also prohibited. Section 9 of Article 76 of Decr ee 2058 of 1995, of the Colombian Ham regulations; specif y that the holder of a ham license in Colombia “cannot allow the use of their call sign to any other person”. Article 16 of the same Decree reads: “To be able to ope rate as a ham radio operator, a license must be obtained from the Ministry of Communications, previously having ap proved the requirements indicated in this Decree”. Ther efore, the accused did not file for a license, they simpl y and abusively took the call signs of other hams; RA3CO did it twice, in 2007 and 2008, knowingly. Maybe HK1RA di d lend his call (he has also been included in our complai nt) but HK3RA, Wolfgang Torres, never lent his call and w as never even requested to do so.

- Evidently I H K3CQ, sent the information to K3EST advising about the ab normality and requesting DQ. It was the least I could do, being the CQ checkpoint for Colombia, besides all who si gned the letter knew about this. Therefore the actions ha ve not been solely on my part, nor have they been secret, everything has been public, transparent and in writing f or everybody to see.

- The aforementioned means t hat I never violated the good faith principle. On the con trary, who violated the code were the unfortunate hams th at took a risk, operating illegally knowingly, but looked the other way, thinking they wouldn’t get caught, dece iving the ham community worldwide. The CQWW contest commi ttee was also deceived as logs were sent, knowing they ha d acted illegally.

- It would be very interesting that LU5DX unveiled the names of the Colombian hams that according to him did not endorse our complaints. This is not a poll or a probe for opinions, where the majority w ins. This is about the truth and the law, all so simple. It would be amusing to know the calls of the HK’s that LU5DX says he contacted and they, if they exist, have no legal bearing and even less ham ethics or plain ethics fo r that matter. These hams should then promote changes in our legislation to change into legal what today is illega l, promoting self assignment of call signs, no licensing and radio anarchy. Sounds great doesn’t it?

- A lso it was said that why did we not act before. If it wer en’t for the operation of RA3CO it would all be still u nknown, but due to his overwhelming hunger for another wi n, he decided to cross the line again (2008) and shoot fo r the stars the second time, if he wasn’t caught the fi rst time why would he the second? We discovered the illeg al operation of 2007 by looking at the results of the CQW W of 2007, where it clearly specifies that he operated as HK1AR. From this some local hams became suspicious and k nowing that behind all this was HK1AR (W4OI) further rese arch was performed finding the rest of the irregularities we listed in our complaint to the Ministry of Com. We ar e not professional PI’s to investigate the legality of every HK call on the airwaves but this came about because we heard the call HK3RA being used before and during the contest from somebody on CW, knowing that the legal owne r of the call, Wolfgang Torres, is not a contester and do es not know the code. We asked him directly and found the string that led us to the whole story behind that call a nd others in years prior. Simple story!

- The tale that HK3CQ created the story so he could rent his statio n is despicable! I have never rented my place and never w ill. Fortunately I live from my work as an economist, and PhD in history; I work in one of the most prestigious un iversities of my country, and an advisor and consultant a nd have the honor of being the VP of the Colombian Academ y of History, without deepening further into my résumé. Therefore, I do not need to rent my ham shack. This lie was likely made-up by Anthony Rogozinsky HK1AR (W4OR) to discredit me, misinform and conceal his illegal operation s. The facts are simple: A few years back when Mr. Rogozi nsky came to Colombia, when I and others did not know of his antics, I lent (not rent) my ham station in my farm. From there he operated as 5K5Z, I traveled with HK3CW to check on him and ask him why he was operating as 5K5 when he should have operated as 5K3. He said it had been a mi stake from the Ministry of Communications. At least on th at occasion he did file for a legal license. The “mista ke” … I never believed in, the ministry is very cauti ous with the paperwork and mistakes are corrected before any operation Once Alberto Silva, LU1DZ, asked me for a Q TH to rent to operate from Colombia and I provided Mr. Ro gozinsky’s place in Cartagena, sending him the link. I never said I rented a place, I just told him of that plac e, the only one I knew of at the time. Later and slowly I and other Colombian hams began to understand the type of person Mr. Rogozinsky really was and began to distance o urselves from him. We also later knew of his EBay scams ( he has had more than 34 eBay names and has been kicked of f 33 times!). Now he resurfaces with false accusations to stand up for his illegal actions.

- If any ham de cided to travel to Russia, Georgia or Argentina for a CQW W contest and use RA3CO, 4L5A or LU5DX or any other inven ted call, without any regard to local ham regulations, wh at would be the reaction of the impersonated hams? Would they disqualify them? Well this is the case, here and it is totally incomprehensible for us that some out there ar e pretending to justify these illegal operations, absolut ely incredible!

- It is absurd to think that beca use the CQWW contest committee has not DQ’d anybody we are promoting a boycott against them, we are not as dumb as you think we are. This issue has other connotations an d we trust that the contest committee will value our comp laints and take the appropriate decisions. We will contin ue to participate and enjoy contests from Colombia, but w e will not turn our heads to illegal operations, this is our land and it deserves respect.

- CQ has reques ted a formal response from the Ministry of Communications of Colombia. If this has not been submitted yet, it is b ecause they have not taken any actions yet, it is not bec ause they have denied our complaints, this issue is taken very seriously in Colombia and the Ministry does not act without taking the appropriate and legal actions against ham operators without making it’s own investigations. For you who still after all our research and evidence sti ll do not believe our findings, just ask RA3CO and YL2KL for their legal operating license in Colombia, anybody wh o has operated legally from Colombia in the past will sur ely provide their license. We requested this to the CQWW contest committee more than a month ago. Will we ever see a legal license from Colombia from any of these two “h ams”? I believe not!
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Juan why you pushing those two hams al l the time?
Why you forgetting about responsibility of station owner
If like Rob say 5K5Z operation was ill egal then you like owner of your station is also responsi ble for that
Again I present to Rob letters from Colo mbian radioamateurs and I have also another letters sayin g that
visitor can use local amateur callsign
I se nd to Rob also letter from another amateur saying that HK 3RA is agree that RA3CO use his call sign etc etc etc
There is so many information
Im just saying that law need to be same for everyone and responsibility of statio n owner need to be there
Asking to DQ people who is tr ust Colombian amateurs is not right
About renting you r qth I get information from LU1DZ message and propably W 4OI is do that specially to distroy your name I dont know about that I just show the link and propably like member of GACW you have to see that also and there is no word a bout licensing
Its very clear for me that some Colomb ians amateurs get YL2KL,RA3CO to make mistake and also ta ke money for it and now other Colombian amateurs trying t o make actions against them
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We don't forget responsibility of stat ion owner. All is in our formal complaint to the Ministry .
One more time: No guest operator in HK and the real HK3RA never agree the ilegal use of his call, RA3CO used it without the knowledge of the license holder. Read my p ost. Please no more lies!
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Juan w hy you pushing those two hams all the time?

Its ve ry clear for me that some Colombians amateurs get YL2KL,R A3CO to make mistake and also take money for it and now o ther Colombian amateurs trying to make actions against th em
Can't you read? Who is profiting? Now don't make it about poor RA3CO or p oor YL2KL, they knew what they were doing, what they didn 't expect is for us to investigate how real they were..th ey got caught as simple as that. The explanation is there and I explained the whole situation to you clearly and y ou insist in calling us dishonest and trying to discredit me and other HKs. FYI, it's not working, we have all the proof in hand of the PTT and soon enough they have their say we will let the ham community know. In the meantime your blabber fits no reason, your speculation is only tha t and you uncanny reasoning is highly suspicious.
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Rob you tel ling us now that YL2KL and RA3CO is know in advance that they are against local law?
I give you email where loc als is tell them (not local Latvians or Russian but Colom bians) that they are can use that calls
You see that m essage right?
Who is think against law locals telling them and allowing them to use that calls or foreigners wh o is trust locals?
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Juan I send email to Rob where local ham is telling RA3CO that HK3RA is happy if he will use his call sign
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Juan ask Rob to show you letter from HK3JE to RA3CO
Or if you like I can send it to you or show you here I dont know
Ju an RA3CO pay money to rent qth do you think he is stupied to rent qth to operate with illegal call?
He have let ter from local amateur and he trust it and that is his mi stake on that I agree and you see his answer he agree on that also
Juan you know its difficult for radioamateu r to dont trust another amateur when he tell him that eve rything is agreed and its not a problem
On the same t ime you know very well that owner of the station is allow him to do that and like you describe he put you in the s ame trouble before :-(

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...and when we will see a mail or a letter from HK3RA lendig his call to RA3CO or autho rizing the ilegal use of his call? Obviouly never!!!! HK3 JE well knows HK3RA is an assigned call. I repeat: We don 't forget responsibility of station owner. All is in our formal complaint to the Ministry. And don't forget RA3CO also used illegally HK1AR in 2007. RA3CO and YL2KL knew w hat they were doing! Please, no more distorted informatio n.
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Juan when You propably see letter of HK3JE telling RA3CO there is no problem and he can use HK 3RA call right?
Juan look on that email:
"What call do you want to use? You can use my call without a proble m or your
call HK/ or if you want to try
to get a special call I would suggest you contact HK3CW - he has a ssisted
others in this manner. I don't
get involve d in doing that. Without a permanent residency you cannot get a
permanent call - only a special
call for a contest.

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Tony"
You know very well who Tony is
I think in this situation local HK hams is p lay not very good name with visitors and in this situatio n that guy is rent his station and put people on the way to against Colombian law
You can be sure they are not aware of that
I just speak with Girts YL2KL now and he tell me that he find out that his operation in 2006 ag ainst Colombian law only when your letter is published He tell me that he have discussion with Rob about speci al call sign but because there is not enough time to get it and he dont think special 5K call sign is so important he follow Tony suggestion and operate in the contest wit h HK1AR callsign in ARRL DX and WPX RTTY and he tell me t hat he never hear any complain from anybody about this op eration
Juan Im happy that you agree with me that own er of the station is responsible and I think its his resp onsibility specially if he is renting QTH to make everyth ing that operation is follow local law and not create pro blem for visitor
Forget about DQ and things like that people can be arested for illegal operation and really h e put them in dangerouse situation very dangerouse
73 Al 4L5A
PS Of course I agree with you propably we wil l never see letter from HK3RA that he is allowing Dmitriy RA3CO to use his call sign and even if he will write tha t its still against Colombian law Only what Dmitriy is ha ve is letter from HK3JE saying that its agreed with HK3RA :-(
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